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, by the way, barack obama scored mid left in both polls. >> interesting. i mean maybe not for people today because he obviously is very popular certainly with democrats, but for historians to choose a living president. >> they chose him as number ten of the 20. they put him at the bottom of the list just below ronald reagan. but it is interesting. the popular people put him in the middle of achievements. it was one of the top ten in the country, so they excluded george w. bush. to my regret they excluded george herbert walker bush who i personally thing they deserved more credit than they got. the popular vote excluded woodrow wilson. woodrow wilson charted american history for the next years. >> what do you make of the breakdown if you look at the list that's used democratic. out of ten, only three are republicans. >> yeah. i mean the people, four were republicans, but wi biand large you have to look at who the republicans are. you've about got warren harding who was always drunk and making love in a closet. corrupt. you've got herbert hoover, decent made who made a screw -u on the
presidents are still influential in today's politics. just yterday at the clinton global itiative, both caidat appdhor president bill clinton. you often hear president obama talking about lincoln, mitt romney talking about ronald reagan, and now "newsweek" is out with a list of the ten best presidents since 1900. sir harold evans w is author offaus "the american century" has a tribute. it's a ploesh to have you here. >> thank you, madam. >> you gaekted together ten distinguished historians. what was the criteria? >> the cteriasha k o active presidents were they. it's very interesting. the historians, all -- every single one of them chose franklin roosevelt as number one. >> why? >> best predent since theodore roosevelt in the beginning of the century. if you ask tm why he did th asivnd effective, those two things. and he had a sense of america's ideal of itself. so they took those creria. they didn't know what the others were doing. they all voted a it's interesting the top three -- around the table and discussing this. >> no, no. it was all in isolation. they locked them in a room with
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